Joey Arnold Ben Robinson,
the exploitation occurred 40 years ago when the original photo was
taken of the naked girl. Now, 40 years later, things are different. She
is not a little girl any longer. Things are different. They say there is
no such thing as bad publi...See More
Ben Robinson That
wasn't exploitation Joey, that image was taken by a war photographer
who was documenting and showing the world what was going on, which in
turn helped turn the tide of public opinion heavily against the war and
helped bring about the end to the US participation in it. You really
have no idea what you are talking about
Jack Ardill "All about Banksy first and foremost...to promote himself."
I imagine you're similarly troubled by Dali and Picasso, Ben?
I imagine you're similarly troubled by Dali and Picasso, Ben?
Xu Do You think that the richie give money to charity and could do whatever they want? Then better to bring it to the hell with them!!
Robert Crockett Joey
this is not America and you do not have free speech here. There are
repercussions for acting the way you are. If you have been in Vietnam as
long as you say you have you know that our community and this city is
VERY small. You cannot survive here without help and you my friend are
digging a very deep grave for yourself very quickly. Chill Bro!
Joey Arnold No.
I will practice my free speech in Vietnam. I am willing to go to jail. I
am willing to be killed because doing what is right is more important
than living. I would rather die an honest man than live as a criminal.
Ben Robinson Well,
in my opinion, pop art is trash. I'm not alone in that. There is a
difference between creating an image of your own and self promotion, and
exploiting someone else's trauma for your own gain. And please, Banksy
spray paints stencils on walls, he is not Picasso, Dali, or even someone
as talentless as Damien Hurst. Banksy's work has about as much artistic
merit as a burger wrapper.
Joey Arnold My
opinion is that charity is good. How is that bad? Is charity bad? All I
am saying is that charity is good. I like charity. I like helping
people. I want to help people. That is all I am saying. Why is that bad?
Ben Robinson Picasso
was an interesting one to bring up though Jack, do you really think
that this Banksy image stands up well against Guernica?
Jack Ardill Fair
enough, Ben. Though I find that an extremely limited and conservation
view on contemporary art. To your great credit, you back up your claims
rather than a superficial dismissal.
Robert Crockett I agree and you are right just package your views and message being cognisent of others.
Jarek Niskiewicz Ahh,
lets be honest, the war between VN and US finished not too long ago.
As far as I am concerned VN managed to get over it very quickly and I am
sure the main reason had to do with money. Further given that many of
the VN people are just US crazy -
which you can see by them wearing clothing with US flag and so on, it
makes me scratch my head- either those people are completely clueless or
just don't give a flying f. With all that said, I am surprised that
some of the elders do not slap those doing so over their head for being
what I would call disrespectful...
I think the message that is presented in this 'art' is strong, and I do understand it.
I think the message that is presented in this 'art' is strong, and I do understand it.
Ian Wilson Joey
Arnold - go somewhere else and dribble your 'free speech' ! I'd be
only too happy to be a member of the firing squad for you 'Oatmeal
-sh*t-for-brains' - but unfortunately I'm told that requires me to be a
full Vietnamese citizen, with all the papers, plus be a member of the
Cong An and specially selected for that duty. SUX !
Jack Ardill Guernica
is pure genius. My point re Picasso and Dali was, just like Banksy,
they weren't short on self-promotion and indulgence.
Ben Robinson Yeah
totally agree with your point regarding artists self-promotion, they
were both vain, fame seeking self publicists, but I think the real
difference between Picasso and Dali, as opposed to Banksy and Warhol
etc., is that the former had substance to back it up, whereas pop
artists really have no content, just superficiality.
Xu Do Hi
Jarek, actually Vietnamese history is mysterious, that's the reasons
why many Vietnamese in US and France now, but the photo of Kim Phuc is a
true pain...
Jack Ardill I'm
not a huge fan of pop art, but I'd suggest not all art needs substance
to be good. To be great yes. Of course "substance" is a slippery term
anyway.
Jarek Niskiewicz @Xu
Do, I understand that we should forgive and move on - however wearing
an US flag by a VN person to me is the same as seeing a Jewish person
wearing a swastika...
Joey Arnold The
photo is not really a pain. That is your opinion. You may have been
brainwashed to think that the photo is bad. The photo is just a window
into history and history will repeat itself if we do not learn from it.
Do you guys want to have the freedom of speech? Would you guys rather
not have those freedoms?
Robert Crockett I
have family that have fought on both sides of the war here. I have to
say I'm amazed with capacity of forgiveness my Vietnamese family has.
Joey Arnold USA
was trying to take over Vietnam? Why was the south of Vietnam still
fighting the north for 2 years after the USA left Vietnam from 1973 -
1975? Why was the south still fighting the north? That was not a civil
war? Uncle Ho Chi Minh says that Vietna...See More
Ian Wilson Joey
Arnold - you moronic piece of garbage ! - where you PERSONALLY here to
witness any of this past history ? NO ??? Didn't think so - SHUT UP YOU
IDIOT !
Jarek Niskiewicz Ben Robinson
US had no business sticking their nose into it. You can call it
whatever you want, still it will not change the number of Vietnamese
people killed by the US army...
Jarek Niskiewicz Ben Robinson
US had no business sticking their nose into it. You can call it
whatever you want, still it will not change the number of Vietnamese
people killed by the US army...
Ben Robinson It was a war that had 2 sides Jarek,
civilians were killed by the NVA, VC, ARVN and the US, not to mention
the other forces involved such as the South Koreans (who actually
committed the worst atrocities of the war, but have somehow gotten away
with it)
Ben Robinson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Vietnam
Take a look at this list, and start to wonder about shopping in Lotte
Mart, eating at Lotteria... nobody ever mentions what the South Korean
troops did in the war.
Joey Arnold Some of the people in the south wanted capitalism, and now Saigon is getting more capitalism.
Ian Wilson Joey Arnold - GOOD - now go and cut your own throat and give us all freedom from you mindless dribblings - YOU IDIOT ! '
Peter Pomeroy Joey
Arnold, are you a total moron? Have you seen the effects of Napalm? I
have and that little girl is suffering indescribable pain. "She looks
happy", you braindead fuckwit!
Joey Arnold Peter Pomeroy,
I am just talking about how the USA was leaving around 1971. That is
all I am saying. I am also not saying that she "WAS" happy. I am saying
that she "LOOKS" happy, and not that she "WAS" happy.
Ian Wilson Joey
Arnold - " Some of the people in the south wanted capitalism, and now
Saigon is getting more capitalism." Oatmeal aka Sh*t-for-brains -
you've just proven, ONCE AGAIN, that you know NOTHING about the things
that happened here, or why they happened, during the American war !
You've been brought up on the usual media one sided BULL SH*t ! You just
proved it !
Joey Arnold Ian Wilson,
Vietnamese people tell me that they do not like Uncle Ho Chi Minh.
Vietnamese people tell me that they do not like communism or socialism.
Vietnamese people want to live in the USA because the USA has
capitalism. Unfortunately, the USA is actually more socialistic and
communistic nowadays, and capitalism isn't perfect either, but we have
to try our best with what we have.
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