Monday, October 7, 2013
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Kevin Nguyen
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Kabscorner one of American reader said " Viet Nam can boast that they are the only country in the world that has defeated three (China, France, and the US) "
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Chung Chịu Chơi
but we r hidding a big lost during the wars. from a powerful economical country turning into poor. even we r slowly developing but...
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Lieu Nguyen
What can you do in our generation
Kevin Nguyen
? As you know China is current enemy it gradually take the regions of our sea , especially the two group of Parecel & spatly Islands .... Do not just look back to the bygones , guy !
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Original Oatmeal
What is the definition to "Defeat?"
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Kevin Nguyen
For this young generation need to dedicate their talent , studying and working hard to join hand in contributing vietnam's development economy more becoming super power country.
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Original Oatmeal
I want to understand the word "Defeat."
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Kevin Nguyen
There's a battle between two sides and one side overcome or beat the enemy than being called defeated hoho
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Lieu Nguyen
oh you are good guy but what is your criteria to protect our lovely country , we must look at the truth that where we are in now the draw out the right way to perform it gradually
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Original Oatmeal
How many sides are there?
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Kevin Nguyen
well obviously two sides
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Original Oatmeal
Why not only one side?
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Lieu Nguyen
Speaking is too easier than doing , guy ! I just put my hope / belief on younger generation .
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Original Oatmeal
What is the alternative?
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Kevin Nguyen
Doing your current job well is the best way for our country
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Original Oatmeal
Is that really an alternative?
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Kevin Nguyen
hoho this's not a debate .of course it's not the alternative
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Michael Nobles
They obviously were not conventional defeats. Diem Bien Phu was a gamble- even Giap admitted this. The Vietn Mihn was on the brink of ruin.
President Eisenhower considered helping the French but he didn't think the Viet Mihn were in such a deplorable condition.
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Michael Nobles
And as for the US- even Ho Chi Mihn would agree: the US defeated itself.
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Kevin Nguyen
Being smart in arranging battle it's extremely important to defeat to enemy. know well our own background as well enemy strenghts
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Michael Nobles
Well, if that's you criteria, Keven, then the Americans won that war. The Vietcong/ NVA got their asses destroyed by the US Army/ Marines.
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Michael Nobles
"'You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,' said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. 'That may be so,' he replied, 'but it is also irrelevant.'"
—Colonel Harry G. Summers Jr. and Colonel Tu, April 1975, described in the book On Strategy.
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Michael Nobles
We were also good at killing South Vietnamese leaders, namely Ngo Dihn Diem. Such a act threw S. Vietnam into chas and allowed The North to move in for the kill.
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Kevin Nguyen
Yep.i dont' like mentioning about this too much. we are living in peaceful country now. Those history story always remind how to value current moments and respect our forefathers for their dedications.
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Michael Nobles
My current research topic is Sino-Vietnamese relations, btw, Keving. Specifically, directed towards that Parecel Islan dispute, and ASEAN influence in the SOuth China Sea.
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Kevin Nguyen
Yep this kinda controversial issue indeed. but that's not our own task. this about our national affair
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Kevin Nguyen
And from a long long time ago. our country always being alert on protecting vietnamsese soil. there's are many threats and they want to annex our soil becming their part
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Original Oatmeal
Michael, the U.S. defeated itself? Does that mean that the U.S. is defeated now?
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Michael Nobles
Yes, the US defeated itself. It lost by overthrowing the regime of Diem and allowing things to progress into chaos, between 1963-65. Obviously, Giap never defeated the Americans on the field of battle, but he didn't have to. The Tet offensive was obvio
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Original Oatmeal
Does the word "Defeat" mean "Conquered?"
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Michael Nobles
Well, if you want to split hairs, the US itself was never defeated- just the South Vietnamese.
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Michael Nobles
In the end, the US abandoned Saigon and the Nguyen government.
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Original Oatmeal
Did the United States force the Southern Vietnamese to do things that they did not want to do that were totally and absolutely against their free-will? Were they excited when Vietnam finally won their "Freedom" from the USA?
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Michael Nobles
That is a loaded question. The Diem regime was overthrown out of fear of US reaction, not because Diem was hated.
As for excited: depends on who you ask. I'm sure the "boat people", or the S. Vietnamese thrown into reeducation camps weren't excited abotu the fall of Saigon.
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As I have been living in Vietnam for these past 10 months since 2013 November, Vietnamese people tell me that they are excited that they won their freedom from the United States. People say good things about Obama. They are surprise that I don't like Obama. Ironically, on one hand, they like Obama, and yet on the other hand, why don't people wave American USA flags around in Vietnam? Instead, I see flags of France and the U.K. So, is the United Kingdoms suppose to be cooler than the USA?
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Michael Nobles
If of all, I wouldn't trust anything most Vietnamese say about their history, nor would I trust most American accounts of the Vietnam war, either.
Generally the Americans will tell you that the South Vietnamese were incompetent and did not want ot fig
ht for their own freedom; whereas the Vietnamese line will be something like: Ho Chi Mihn was a wonderful nationalist, and the South Vietnamese were only American puppets. Both claims are bald-faced lies, and quite frankly, ignorant of other nationalistic, non-communist opposition forces, to either American or French occupation.
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The United States were trying to help. The USA dropped a bomb on Japan just a decade before the 1950's. The USA can blow up entire countries if they want to. You don't mess with the USA. However, the USA was not trying to conquer Vietnam. Instead, the USA were using a cover, an excuse that says they were trying to rid the world of communism and socialism, similar to how Bush Jr. (USA President) declared war against terrorism, to rid the world of terrorism, last decade which led to the wars in the Middle East in the 2000's and 2010's.
Yet, the USA are always multi-tasking. They have agendas. America is falling apart. America uses the excuses of war as a means to go after oil, power, to generate money, and to make way for the New World Order (NWO) of a world-wide one government that will rule the world and is ruling the world through the veils of the United Nations, through the United States, through the Pope, and through banks.
I am less a fan of socialism and communism. I am more a fan of Ho Chi Minh. I am inspired by his life. Our world should integrate and embrace fathering a balance between capitalism, the free market, with rights, freedoms, liberties, anarchism, with socialism and communism.
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