They say that I do not care about people. They say that I do not listen. I would not be here if my ears were detached. Understanding people does take time. However, these people believe that they do in fact understand me well enough, already. But there is always more there than what meets the eye. A woman named Kim Freeman writes about me as well. Keep your eyes open & eat your oatmeal, since you are what you eat.
I admit I think he is unstable
And needs help from someone.
But it's hard to do that when you never meet face to face.
I'd like someone closer to understanding him to help him.
He has put so much effort into being odd that it is worrying.
Has anyone ever met him?
Joey, If you want to meet to talk about the things you write I'd be happy to.
You seem like you need someone to listen to your problems
Let me have a few words,
Finally yesterday I met one Couch Surfing member
That has met him in real life, yes several times.
She complained to me that why there are so much hate toward this guy
(Joey or Oatmeal or Kim or whatever),
that him is not so terrible and she's helped him to buy some stuffs in Vietnam.
However, she admitted that he is not so "normal",
he keeps asking questions but when one answers,
He doesn't give a shit about this, he definitely doesn't know how to listen.
Honestly I find this guy "poor" and "funny" more than "should-be-hated".
Honestly I find this guy "poor" and "funny" more than "should-be-hated".
Anyway, as people might be annoyed by him,
And as all the efforts to explain him what is right wrong,
Or to help him is just simply a waste of time
(yay he won't stop complaining until he gets everything FREE),
So I think this warming post is necessary :)
Khang,
you know me pretty well by now,
So, you know that I'm not hating anybody
:)
I don't hate him.
But what he is doing can also not be tolerated
Because he is jeopardizing the security of other CS members by creating
fake profiles.
And spamming this forum isn't cool either
(and also
against the rules of the CS community)!
As you just correctly remarked, it is simply necessary to have a warning post
As you just correctly remarked, it is simply necessary to have a warning post
So that people who are new here know that they should be careful.
If he is mentally unstable, as Tom suggests, then yes, he definitely needs help.
If he is mentally unstable, as Tom suggests, then yes, he definitely needs help.
But at the same time we need to ensure the safety of all
other CS members first. Therefore this post.
@Tom: we made a lot of helps to him already.
We tried to talk to him, tried to explain what is right or wrong on here.
He doesn't want to admit that he is wrong
He doesn't want to admit that he is wrong
when he spams around with his email, Facebook and nonsense stuffs.
We had a lot of convos about that on Facebook page of Couch Surfing Saigon. Nothing change!
We opened our arms to accept him,
We had a lot of convos about that on Facebook page of Couch Surfing Saigon. Nothing change!
We opened our arms to accept him,
and we were used by that. Then how could we accept him again?
We don't want to be used again and again.
We don't want to be used again and again.
And we also don't wanna be
annoyed by someone
with the same posts again and again, fake profiles
again and again.
We all respect everyone unless that person tries to use
our respect for his own benefit.
I hope you understand, Tom!
P.S: if you get onto his blog, you will soon realize that every post here
were copied and paste onto his blog.
And he did that, because he
said he wanted to show the world
how bad VNese were. He hurts us, so
it's time for him to have something back...
Having
several profiles is no peccadillo Joey (=Kim). Stop trying to turn
things around! It's not other people here who act like jerks, it's YOU
who is acting like a jerk. Your profiles have been deleted by CS
numerous times for a reason!
And btw, I'm also a foreigner, and people here are awesome and have treated me with nothing but respect. That is because I don't harass them, I don't act like the biggest jerk on the planet, and I don't create 101 profiles.
It is YOU who is to blame for this situation Kim (=Joey). Nobody else! People here are incredibly nice!
And btw, I'm also a foreigner, and people here are awesome and have treated me with nothing but respect. That is because I don't harass them, I don't act like the biggest jerk on the planet, and I don't create 101 profiles.
It is YOU who is to blame for this situation Kim (=Joey). Nobody else! People here are incredibly nice!
I thought this was the Couch
Surfing website.
I did not this KNOW it was the
"Let's make fun of
people because they are different than us" website.
Why do you hate this
guy so much?
I do not understand how you can hate this person.
He seems
to be in a tough situation.
I thought this website was about helping
people.
You guys are harassing this foreigner man.
How would you feel if
you got treated this way if you went to a different country?
Dear fellow Couchsurfing members,
As you might have noticed (it was actually pretty hard not to notice it), a person has persistently been spamming our Saigon CS forum over the last few weeks/months and has been creating numerous fake profiles:
As you might have noticed (it was actually pretty hard not to notice it), a person has persistently been spamming our Saigon CS forum over the last few weeks/months and has been creating numerous fake profiles:
He calls himself Joey Arnold, The Original Oatmeal, Dan Henderson, Bob
Max, Kim Freeman and he has probably been using several other names.
One of our trustworthy Saigon Couchsurfing members (Tram Pham) has actually seen his passport, so we know his real name, which is Joey Arnold, born 1985.
We want to advise the community to stay away from this individual.
Please do not support him or encourage him to spread his crap on this
website/forum. Please completely ignore him and his posts and don't
reply to his posts.
He cannot be considered trustworthy
(otherwise, why
would a person continuously create fake profiles?).
It is clearly
against the guidelines and rules of Couchsurfing to create several
profiles with different names to purposely delude other members. And it
is also clearly against the rules and guidelines to spam this forum with
nonsensical messages.
With his reckless behaviour and disregard of
these rules he is clearly threatening the safety and well-being of other
CS members and is undermining the CS security system. Couchsurfing
headquarters keep deleting his fake profiles, as they also consider him a
security threat, but so far Joey Arnold has simply continued to create
new fake profiles with new fake names. This behaviour can not be
tolerated as it is threatening the safety of other CS members.
Please be wary when replying to posts which were created by people with empty profiles (that means no profile picture, no profile information given, no references, no vouches, etc.). It might be Joey or some other creep who is trying to trick you into believing that he is somebody who he is actually not. Of course, when you are a new member of Couchsurfing, you will not have any references yet and nobody will have vouched for you yet. But it should go without saying that you should provide the community with some information about yourself with which you can earn their trust.
Please be wary when replying to posts which were created by people with empty profiles (that means no profile picture, no profile information given, no references, no vouches, etc.). It might be Joey or some other creep who is trying to trick you into believing that he is somebody who he is actually not. Of course, when you are a new member of Couchsurfing, you will not have any references yet and nobody will have vouched for you yet. But it should go without saying that you should provide the community with some information about yourself with which you can earn their trust.
After all, this is a website and community
which is build on trust, so the least that members can do is to provide
some information about themselves to earn the trust of other members. So
I'm urging you: Please fill out your profiles completely! Don't take
the trust of this community for granted, but please understand that you
also have to make an effort to make this community work!
My apologies for such a long message, but we consider it especially important to inform new members of CS of this current "Joey"-situation and to help them to use this great website safely and with care.
We will re-post this message on a regular basis to inform new CS members about this security threat and to ensure the safety of new CS members who haven't made the acquaintance of "Joey" yet.
Stay safe!
My apologies for such a long message, but we consider it especially important to inform new members of CS of this current "Joey"-situation and to help them to use this great website safely and with care.
We will re-post this message on a regular basis to inform new CS members about this security threat and to ensure the safety of new CS members who haven't made the acquaintance of "Joey" yet.
Stay safe!
I
need to get a 3 month multi entry visa in Saigon - any recommendations
for cheapest / best places that do it? thx... (please list price if you
know it).
(I currently have a 3 month single entry I got in China)
(I currently have a 3 month single entry I got in China)
The official price for the
muliple entry visa is 95$ (recent stamp in my passport, last year it was
almost half). I can pm you a contact who does extensions, but the price
is not below 120$ (haven't talked to her for a few months, but I don't
believe it's gotten cheaper). Some guys in Dave's ESL forum (VN section)
could maybe name cheaper options.
Please
read one post about some security problem here which is related to
someone named himself Kim Freeman, and put his own gender as a woman https://www.couchsurfing.org/n/threads/ho-chi-minh-city-ho-chi-minh-city-vietnam-dear-fellow-couchsurfing-members-as-you-might-have-noticed-it-was-actually-pretty-hard-not-to-notice-it-a-person-h
Please be careful with him!
Phuc
Please be careful with him!
Phuc
The
travel agency I go to, she charges $30 for 3 months single entry for
extension and to get a new visa/renew : $90 for 3 months single entry.
For 3 months multiple entry $120 whether you're getting a visa extension
or renewing your visa.
Just PM me and I can give you her detail.
Her office is in bui vien area - She's awesome, super helpful and speaks pretty good english.
I
want to live in a cheap room in Saigon, Vietnam. I am living in Saigon,
as in Ho Chi Minh City (HCM), Vietnam (VN) right now. I want to find a
better place soon. Please write to me.
The cheaper, the better.
Right now, I am paying around $2.000.000 VND / month money
for a room
and that includes the cost for electricity, water, drinking water,
kitchen, parking.
My room is in district Binh Thanh HCM VN.
I want to find a
cheaper room somewhere,
Somehow.I would like to find a trade.
I want to
find a cheap room, or as cheap as possible.
The cheaper, the better.
Bob?!?!?! Is that you
Dan/Joey, etc.?
For your own safety dear fellow Couchsurfers be very
careful with CS members whose profile is not complete (no picture, no
references, no information at all!!!).
I'm not entirely sure, but Bob
Max might be a person who calls himself Dan, Joey (and many other
names). Please read the post below:
Leave people alone
Leave people alone
Joey, Dan, or whatever
your f*** real name is!!!
So
far you have had at least 3-4 different CS profiles with several
different names which is definitely violating the rules of this
community. There is a reason why CS headquarters keeps deleting your
profiles! Because you keep putting up fake profiles and you are spamming
the forums of this community!
Therefore you must be considered a security threat for the Couchsurfing community (and your pointless blablabla must certainly also be considered a threat to the mental sanity of every reasonable living being on this planet)!
Stop creating new profiles! It is violating CS guidelines and rules! CS deleted your profiles for a reason!
And stop posting bullshit on this (or any other) CS forum.
If you are so desperate for attention, go to your bathroom mirror and start talking to yourself. If you listen very carefully (provided that you are actually able to LISTEN, because so far you have managed simply to ignore any kind of advice or concern from this community), you might even notice how much nonsense your mouth is actually capable of producing!!!
Stop pestering people!!!!!!
Therefore you must be considered a security threat for the Couchsurfing community (and your pointless blablabla must certainly also be considered a threat to the mental sanity of every reasonable living being on this planet)!
Stop creating new profiles! It is violating CS guidelines and rules! CS deleted your profiles for a reason!
And stop posting bullshit on this (or any other) CS forum.
If you are so desperate for attention, go to your bathroom mirror and start talking to yourself. If you listen very carefully (provided that you are actually able to LISTEN, because so far you have managed simply to ignore any kind of advice or concern from this community), you might even notice how much nonsense your mouth is actually capable of producing!!!
Stop pestering people!!!!!!
Hope nobody get hurt again
from him like me:(.
Im looking for a day he is kicked out of VN. You
know!
He is scared of coming back to The US because people there gave
him lots of shit:)))
Once, he showed me his passport because
I was agreed that he doesnt have
any human kills. So, having a pasapport means he is a human, haha! So
stupid!
@Tram Pham: not only you for sure!
Lots of people got stuck in this situation...
And I am also looking for that day.
Well he himself said that he had 30 Facebook accounts,
so when I blocked
one of his Facebook thing,
he used another one to message me around.
Gosh!!
I did some email sending to some CS ambassadors,
and it seems like he
spends 24 hours on here creating profiles and spamming around.
I don't know how to make a new difference.
So I guess it's just time to ignore him.
The more we ignore,
the useless he is.
And he will probably stop.
That's what I've learnt!
So I hope you guys know how to deal with him now.
Let's try to ignore him?
Phuc
How about we write a warning
message
to raise awareness about the "Joey"-problem in the Saigon-CS
group
and post it once a day to make "new" people aware of the problem?
This way we don't have to compose a new message all the time,
but we can
just copy/paste the message.
Just an idea ... If you have a better idea
please share ;)
Hi guys,
He knows that he is terrible and dangerous
so he doesnt use his name to
post anything here!
It will be nice that you guy can watch him and warn
people in any posts of him.
I will try to write a post to tell you my
story about him here.
Also, did you guy see a post from a girl in HN
about him!
I think I should ask those people join to SG couchsurfing
too!
Right now, they are having a group on here,
which is showing a black list of the bad CSers on here.
But it doesn't seem having any guy right now.
So his name can be the 1st name of the list.
I have been having some emails of him spamming around,
and I probably can provide those emails for you as the evidences here.
And... I don't know if we should make a Facebook page for him as a 'popular guy' of CS...
What do you think?
Phuc
Tram,
You mentioned above that you have seen his passport?!
So what is his
actual name?
Would be good to know, just in case anybody gets in trouble
with him!
I also think that it would be good if you guys can share your experience
with him here on the forum (as long as it's not too private or
uncomfortable for you) so that other members can paint a better picture
of this weirdo.
Sure, why not a facebook page/black list. Though since he is changing his stupid name all the time, it's kinda hard to make a list and one might question the usefulness of such a list since he is changing his name/profile all the time. but it's worth a try.
Anyway, I will write a general warning message tomorrow which we can re-post every day to make people aware of the problem and to look out for posts by empty profiles which have just recently been created.
Btw: I kinda like Austin's idea: make sure that he never gets a VN visa ever again ;)
Sure, why not a facebook page/black list. Though since he is changing his stupid name all the time, it's kinda hard to make a list and one might question the usefulness of such a list since he is changing his name/profile all the time. but it's worth a try.
Anyway, I will write a general warning message tomorrow which we can re-post every day to make people aware of the problem and to look out for posts by empty profiles which have just recently been created.
Btw: I kinda like Austin's idea: make sure that he never gets a VN visa ever again ;)
Give
me a room & I can teach you English.
Deal?
I would like to find a
cheaper room for rent apartment.
I am paying less than 3.000.000 VND per
month for a room in district Binh Thanh.
I want to find a cheaper room.
Give me a free room &
I can give you free English lessons.
I have
been teaching
For the past 3 months.
Talk to me.
Talk to me.
Ask me questions.
Give me advice.
Add me on Facebook.
My
name on Facebook is the
Original Oatmeal.
I am looking around for
cheaper restaurants,
bikes,
head phones
head sets
movie making things
art supplies
phones,
laptops,
apartments,
backpacks,
glasses adjustments,
basketball courts,
dance clubs,
& I love making
new friends.
You can talk to me about anything.
I love to sing,
dance,
write,
draw,
teach English,
basketball,
video games,
help others,
invent
things,
make people laugh,
travel,
bike,
sports,
games,
Star Wars,
Power Rangers,
Will Smith,
Michael Jackson,
music,
Tom Hanks,
mystery,
comedy,
Robin Williams,
Matrix,
Lord Of The Rings,
Narnia,
Metal Gear,
& with Oatmeal in my bowl, is Jesus in your soul?
Joey Arnold
The Original Oatmeal
http://FaceBook.com/OriginalOatmeal
Skype: Original Oatmeal
(84) 0-163-425-1695
Leave people alone Joey, Dan,
or whatever your f*** real name is!!! So far you have had at least 3-4
different CS profiles with several different names which is definitely
violating the rules of this community. There is a reason why CS
headquarters keeps deleting your profiles! Because you keep putting up
fake profiles and you are spamming the forums of this community!
Therefore you must be considered a security threat for the Couchsurfing community (and your pointless blablabla must certainly also be considered a threat to the mental sanity of every reasonable living being on this planet)!
Stop creating new profiles! It is violating CS guidelines and rules! CS deleted your profiles for a reason!
And stop posting bullshit on this (or any other) CS forum.
If you are so desperate for attention, go to your bathroom mirror and start talking to yourself. If you listen very carefully (provided that you are actually able to LISTEN, because so far you have managed simply to ignore any kind of advice or concern from this community), you might even notice how much nonsense your mouth is actually capable of producing!!!
Stop pestering people!!!!!!
Therefore you must be considered a security threat for the Couchsurfing community (and your pointless blablabla must certainly also be considered a threat to the mental sanity of every reasonable living being on this planet)!
Stop creating new profiles! It is violating CS guidelines and rules! CS deleted your profiles for a reason!
And stop posting bullshit on this (or any other) CS forum.
If you are so desperate for attention, go to your bathroom mirror and start talking to yourself. If you listen very carefully (provided that you are actually able to LISTEN, because so far you have managed simply to ignore any kind of advice or concern from this community), you might even notice how much nonsense your mouth is actually capable of producing!!!
Stop pestering people!!!!!!
I
live in Ho Chi Minh City (HCM), Vietnam (VN).
I have been in Vietnam
For the last 6 months,
Since the 29th of November of 2012.
I am living
in Saigon, right now.
I first came to Vietnam via the Hanoi airport
On a
3-months multiple-entry tourist visa.
I extended my visa in HCM,
Since
my visa was expiring on the
22nd of February, 2013.
You can find my
contact information at
http://OriginalOatmeal.WordPress.com
I am planning on staying in Vietnam for the next few years.
I gave my passport to a Vietnamese person who better make me a new visa. This time, I am not going for a multiple-entry visa. I asked for a 3-months single-entry tourist C2 (or something) visa. I hope they can go over the Cambodia border on my behalf, so I do not have to spend around 20 hours going to Cambodia and back. Some say that you have to go over the border yourself, while others claim that you can pay somebody else to do it for me. My 1st extension of my 1st ever visa does expire on the 22nd of May, 2013. They say I can buy a new 3 months visa, plus 3 more additional months (extension), plus the border stamp into my U.S. passport book, for almost $150 USD. That is almost 3.000.000 VND. I am learning about how visas, passports, and the other things work.
I was born and raised in Forest Grove, Washington County, Oregon, United States. I attended 4 different colleges over 5 years in New York, West Virginia, & Oregon. I graduated from the Word Of Life Bible Institute in New York. I attended the Appalachian Bible College in West Virginia. I worked for the Salvation Army for 9 months in Hawaii as a missionary. I worked for 5 different years as a counselor at camps in New York, California, Oregon, and Hawaii. I have worked around 5 or more years in different states as a dishwasher, and in maintenance, landscaping, housekeeping, laundry, food prep, bakery. I have worked in a traveling children ministry team for 2 years around New York. I have worked in many ministry teams with different churches and ministries in different states. Been on mission trips in Idaho, Quebec, & Hawaii. I have worked at an after-school program, at a basketball camp as a counselor, as a basketball manager, as a freelance film-maker, editor, web builder, actor, inventor, song-writer.
I am teaching English all over Saigon, Vietnam.
Contact me if you want to meet me. I can teach you English. I can teach you anything you want to learn. You can ask me questions. I love making friends. We can bike. We can play games. We can play basketball. There are so many things we could do. Find me on Facebook with my email address:
OriginalOatmeal@Gmail.com
http://FaceBook.com/OriginalOatmeal
I love making movies, building websites, writing songs, writing books, fixing problems, playing piano, playing guitar, inventing things, telling jokes, coming up with things, playing basketball, sports, video games, board games, other fun things like Apples To Apples, Risk, War Craft, Star Craft, Tetris, Sim City, Star Wars, fighting, Mario, racing, adventures, mysteries, puzzles. Love movies, shows, learning things, traveling the world. I love telling people about Christ.
Meet me. Talk to me. Text me. Google my name. My name is Joey Arnold, the Original Oatmeal. You will find me if you search my name. It is that easy. I am everywhere. Find me and talk to me. I have connections. You want to be my friend. You will not regret it. You can see my videos at
http://YouTube.com/OriginalOatmeal
Like Me on Facebook at:
http://FaceBook.com/OoJoeyArnold
Skype: OriginalOatmeal
http://OriginalOatmeal.WordPress.com
I am planning on staying in Vietnam for the next few years.
I gave my passport to a Vietnamese person who better make me a new visa. This time, I am not going for a multiple-entry visa. I asked for a 3-months single-entry tourist C2 (or something) visa. I hope they can go over the Cambodia border on my behalf, so I do not have to spend around 20 hours going to Cambodia and back. Some say that you have to go over the border yourself, while others claim that you can pay somebody else to do it for me. My 1st extension of my 1st ever visa does expire on the 22nd of May, 2013. They say I can buy a new 3 months visa, plus 3 more additional months (extension), plus the border stamp into my U.S. passport book, for almost $150 USD. That is almost 3.000.000 VND. I am learning about how visas, passports, and the other things work.
I was born and raised in Forest Grove, Washington County, Oregon, United States. I attended 4 different colleges over 5 years in New York, West Virginia, & Oregon. I graduated from the Word Of Life Bible Institute in New York. I attended the Appalachian Bible College in West Virginia. I worked for the Salvation Army for 9 months in Hawaii as a missionary. I worked for 5 different years as a counselor at camps in New York, California, Oregon, and Hawaii. I have worked around 5 or more years in different states as a dishwasher, and in maintenance, landscaping, housekeeping, laundry, food prep, bakery. I have worked in a traveling children ministry team for 2 years around New York. I have worked in many ministry teams with different churches and ministries in different states. Been on mission trips in Idaho, Quebec, & Hawaii. I have worked at an after-school program, at a basketball camp as a counselor, as a basketball manager, as a freelance film-maker, editor, web builder, actor, inventor, song-writer.
I am teaching English all over Saigon, Vietnam.
Contact me if you want to meet me. I can teach you English. I can teach you anything you want to learn. You can ask me questions. I love making friends. We can bike. We can play games. We can play basketball. There are so many things we could do. Find me on Facebook with my email address:
OriginalOatmeal@Gmail.com
http://FaceBook.com/OriginalOatmeal
I love making movies, building websites, writing songs, writing books, fixing problems, playing piano, playing guitar, inventing things, telling jokes, coming up with things, playing basketball, sports, video games, board games, other fun things like Apples To Apples, Risk, War Craft, Star Craft, Tetris, Sim City, Star Wars, fighting, Mario, racing, adventures, mysteries, puzzles. Love movies, shows, learning things, traveling the world. I love telling people about Christ.
Meet me. Talk to me. Text me. Google my name. My name is Joey Arnold, the Original Oatmeal. You will find me if you search my name. It is that easy. I am everywhere. Find me and talk to me. I have connections. You want to be my friend. You will not regret it. You can see my videos at
http://YouTube.com/OriginalOatmeal
Like Me on Facebook at:
http://FaceBook.com/OoJoeyArnold
Skype: OriginalOatmeal
Hey Dannyboy,
why don't you marry Joey or Bob or Kim?
They seem to be eager to stay in Vietnam as well!
Oh wait a second ... Joey = Dan = Bob = Kim Freeman ?!??!?!?!
Why do we suddenly have so many weird profiles recently on CS Saigon? And why are those profiles related to one of Oatmeals posts? Mysterious, mysterious...
Please folks, fill out your profile completely and make an effort to get some references and if possible someone who vouches for you. A completely empty profile is kinda suspicious, especially with people like Joey/Dan, etc. haunting the world wide web!
Why do we suddenly have so many weird profiles recently on CS Saigon? And why are those profiles related to one of Oatmeals posts? Mysterious, mysterious...
Please folks, fill out your profile completely and make an effort to get some references and if possible someone who vouches for you. A completely empty profile is kinda suspicious, especially with people like Joey/Dan, etc. haunting the world wide web!
Heyde,
whatever your experience with Joey
(or whatever his name is) might be
(positive or negative),
it is definitely NOT OKAY for a member of this
website to create
FAKE PROFILES. It is undermining the safety of other
members and there are clear regulations for that!!!
And it is also NOT OKAY for members to spam the forums. And with all due respect, there can be very little doubt that he is spamming the forum. And the number of people he is annoying with his immature behaviour is by all means growing every second!
And it is also NOT OKAY for members to spam the forums. And with all due respect, there can be very little doubt that he is spamming the forum. And the number of people he is annoying with his immature behaviour is by all means growing every second!
@Heyde:
Some of us are the real witness
for what he has done.
We all experienced
spending time with him,
and what could we have back?
Nothing for sure!
If you spend more time
with him on here,
you will find that he is really
such a spammer,
and a jerk (for sure a jerk!).
I know something about
the story
between him and his gf in Vietnam.
And I also know the reason
why he has to move to Binh Thanh
and stay there.
And we are so tired of
him...
We also don't want him to
spoil our community anymore...
I hope that will be enough for you to
understand about our problem.
You
can look down to the lower posts
to see how he spams around...