Wednesday, August 7, 2013

How Many Gods Are There?

  • July 15
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    U workin there ? or on vacation?
  • Original Oatmeal
    I am not working this month.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Do you believe in God ?
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    there is one god
  • July 16
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    don't you think ?
  • July 17
  • Original Oatmeal
    Have you ever seen a 2nd God?
  • July 17
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Have you seen God ?
  • July 17
  • Original Oatmeal
    Have you felt God?
  • Thursday
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    yes
    i'm muslim
  • Thursday
  • Original Oatmeal
    I did not ask you if u were muslim
  • Sunday
  • Original Oatmeal
    Do you want me to be Muslim?
  • Monday
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    aren't you ?
  • Monday
  • Monday
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Why do you always answer questions with questions, if you don't want to talk to me, tell me, i thought you were looking for friends
  • Original Oatmeal
    I am Christian.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    tell me about it
  • Original Oatmeal
    Christ saved me.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    how ?
    isn't he dead ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    He is alive in my heart.
    He resurrected after the 3rd day.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    i don't understand
    What i know is that he is the messenger of God and son of virgin mary
  • Original Oatmeal
    Christ is God. He healed people. He forgave the sins of people. Only God can heal. Only God can forgive sins. Messengers cannot do those things alone. Christ claims to be God. They are One and the Same.
    Christ died on the cross to save us. Christ was buried. Christ rose again from the dead. Christ resurrected. Christ conquered death. Christ paid the debts of our sins, to those who take it.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    God give these powers to messengers in order for the common people to belive in God
    Jesus peace be upon him never claimed such a thing
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east. And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man. She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ." He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy." She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?" He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' " So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten." But he called her from below her, "Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream. And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates. So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.' " Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste." So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?" [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant. And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute. It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Read this and tell me what do you think
  • Original Oatmeal
    What you write are lies.
    Christ is God.
    He says it in the Bible.
    I do not believe in what you wrote.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    besides believing in it or not
    What do you think of it ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    It is not true
    Christ is God
    You worship Christ
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    yes and besides that
  • Original Oatmeal
    Christ is Allah
    One and the Same
    Christ was not simply sent from God
    Christ is Allah
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.
  • Original Oatmeal
    Jesus did not say that
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    i swear he did
  • Original Oatmeal
    What you have is not scripture
    You read from a book of lies
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    why ?
    why sould be your book the truth and not ours ?
    i belive in the bible but not this one
  • Original Oatmeal
    Your book did not come from God
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    the original one
  • Original Oatmeal
    Yours is not the original
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    our book was sent by god through our prophet
  • Original Oatmeal
    It starts with the first five books
    written through Moses
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    we believe in all prophets (moses, abraham, zachariah, jesus, etc..) and in all the books
    and our prophet is the last messenger
  • Original Oatmeal
    Moses writes that Christ is God
    Jesus Christ was not merely a prophet
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    all prophets are the messenger of the God and their message is to submit to god and no one else
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    why ?
    how can a god be crucified ?
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Both Islam and Christianity expect the return of Jesus at the end of times, and both expect trials and tribulations to occur at the time. Many of the themes of these trials are similar, but they are also very different in detail and definition. Both religions expect the nation of believers to be the final victors, but the Christian believes that these are defined as the believers in the Gospel of the New Testament and in Christ as ‘the Savior’ and ‘the Incarnation’ of God, whilst the Muslim knows that it refers to those who believe in the pure monotheism entailed in submission to the One and Only True God.
  • Original Oatmeal
    no
    not simply "The New Testament"
    We follow the Bible
    Not just the New Testament
    also the Old Testament
    the New and Old Testaments go together
    Christians believe in ONE God
    We only believe in ONE God
    What you say about Christians is inaccurate
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    what about trinity then ?
    trinity ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    you do not understand
    You misunderstand the trinity
    and you were taught to misunderstand the trinity
    you think the trinity means three
    Trinity does not mean THREE
    that is not what the trinity is
    trinity is seen in the Bible
    In the book of Genesis
    the book of Moses
    prophet Moses
    It speaks in plural and singular
    at the same time
    it is a dualistic nature of God
    dualistic
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    God is only one
    not dualistic
  • Original Oatmeal
    that is what I said
    you do not understand
    you have a shallow understanding of Gpd
    God
    You have to read the Bible
    you have to listen to how God refers to Himself
    God uses many words to describe Himself
    in different ways at different times
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    But you still think that God is a human and i have a problem with that
  • Original Oatmeal
    you need to follow what God says about Himself
    you cannot stick God in a box
    you cannot make up rules about what God is and what God is not
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    He is God, the One and Only! God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
  • Original Oatmeal
    that is what I said
    that is what I already said
    you are not listening to what i am saying
    you repeat what i already said it
    you think i did not say it but i did
    and that is sad
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    that is a verse of the Quran
  • Original Oatmeal
    you know i already said that
    that is what i already said
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    that is a verse of the Quran
    so you believe in it ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    you are not listening
    to what i am saying
    God is One
  • Original Oatmeal
    Christ is God
    Christ is Allah
    Christ is the only ONE God Allah
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    christ peace be upon him is the messenger of God
  • Original Oatmeal
    He is not
    you are wrong
    you are very wrong
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Dr. Jerald Dirks, a former Christian Minister slowly began to leave Christian belief during his days in the Harvard School of Divinity. Like many others, after being introduced to the large number of contradictions found in various Christian scriptures, he slowly began to retrogress from the Christian activist seen. Dr. Dirks is now a practicing Muslim trying to spread the understanding of the Islamic faith amongst the people.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    hear him out
    u have nothing to loose
  • Original Oatmeal
    i already did
    i already have heard him
    i have studied this my whole life
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    How can you believe that a human being can be god ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    that is not what i believe
    i do not believe in that
    God is God
    Allah is Allah
    Allah came to earth
    I do not believe that a man became God
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    jesus peace be upon him a human being and the messenger of God
  • Original Oatmeal
    Jesus Christ is not a man
    Jesus Christ is not a messenger
    Jesus Christ is Allah
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    so wrong
    so how can god be crucified ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    how can a man be crucified?
    how can a man pay for the sins of others?
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    no one pays for your sins
  • Original Oatmeal
    a human can only pay the debts for his or her sins
    you cannot pay for your own sins
    you cannot be perfect
    you have sin
    you cannot live a perfect life
    you make mistakes
    one mistake dooms you the death penalty
  • Original Oatmeal
    and you cannot earn eternal life
    you cannot attain self-righteousness
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    everyone has good deeds and sins and you pay for them in the judgement day and no one will pay for you
  • Original Oatmeal
    you will be found guilty
    for all have sin and fall short of the glory of God
    you will pay in Hell
    burn in Hell forever for your sins
    good deeds are meaningless
    all our righteousness are as filthy rags
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    why are you saying that ? i've never said you'll burn in hell
  • Original Oatmeal
    it is what the Bible says
    it does not matter what you say
    it does not matter what you say or not say
    what matters is what the Bible says
    the Bible says that we all will burn in Hell if we don't get saved
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    "There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing. "
    The Quran says Jesus did not die on the cross, but God made it appear that way to people. Furthermore, the Quran also says that Jesus was ascended to Heaven by God. Most Christians today insist Jesus was crucified and died on the cross, but two days later was resurrected.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Christians believe in the concept of "Original Sin" which means that human beings are born as sinners , bearing the burden of the "Original Sin" of Adam and Eve. Muslims do not believe in the " Original Sin" for 2 main reasons:
    -In the Quran, God forgave Adam for what he has done, and
    -according to the Quran, no one should be made to bear the burden of someone else's sin or mistake because it is unfair.
  • Original Oatmeal
    Christ did die
  • Original Oatmeal
    Christ really died
    to apy for your sins
    to pay for your sins
    You are not perfect
    u need a savior
    only God can save you
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    i am not perfect and i don't need anyone else to pay for my sins
  • Original Oatmeal
    messengers cannot save
    men cannot save
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    God can save me from hell and not jesus who is the messenger of Go
  • Original Oatmeal
    only perfect people can pay
  • Original Oatmeal
    you are not perfect
    you cannot afford to pay
    u do not have enough money
    it is an eternal debt
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    what debt ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    it takes eternity to pay the debts
  • Original Oatmeal
    the debt of not being perfect
    you are not perfect
    that means u got a debt
    u owe God perfectionism
    Jesus is God
    Jesus says so many times
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    he is the messenger of god
  • Original Oatmeal
    you will die if you deny Jesus is God
    you will burn in Hell
    forever
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    i'll die anyway
  • Original Oatmeal
    because you reject God
    Allah is Christ
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    jesus peace be upon him is the messenger of god
  • Original Oatmeal
    you speak lies
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    do you believe in Mohamed ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    you are a child
    i do not
  • Original Oatmeal
    he can die
    he is just a person
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    so is jesus
  • Original Oatmeal
    he has no power
    he has no purpose
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    yes so is jesus
  • Original Oatmeal
    Jesus is God
    Jesus created the Heavens and earth
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    And why mohamed is no god then ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    I and my Father are ONE
    in the beginning was the Word
    the word was with God
    and the word was God
    and the Word is God
    And God said let US make man in OUR image
    in our likeness
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    Why is there so many contradictions in christianity ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    none
    you are insane
    you just fail to understand it
    because God is not inside you
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."
  • Original Oatmeal
    i do not believe in the qu'ran
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.
  • Original Oatmeal
    what other dieties?
    I worship Allah
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    what do you think of the written above ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    they are lies
  • Today
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    but if Jesus Christ is god then he was the god of the old testament, who wrote the new one ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    God came to earth. The name of Jesus is also the name Emmanuel which means God With Us. God created us became a baby and died on the corss to become our Savior.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    you didn't answer my question, who wrote the new testament ? clearly not jesus but common ppl
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    nothing to say ?
    so your so called holy book is just wrote by people
  • Original Oatmeal
    The Bible was written by 40 different authors all inspired by and through Christ, both the Old and New Testament was written ultimately by Christ, who is God in the Flesh, through the means of individuals throughout time.
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    haha but you said people are sinners
    how can they write the words of God ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    because that is how Go doworks
    that is how God works
  • Original Oatmeal
    there is a difference
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    does not work this way
  • Original Oatmeal
    when we give our lives to Christ, God makes us into new creatures that are capable of being used by Him for His glory
    that is the purpose and reason why we must all get saved
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    the people of the church ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    whenever humans do something that is amazing, it is because God worked through them, despite of their sins
    I am talking about humans and not just the church people
    being sinners means that we cannot do anything that is amazing without the power of Christ, God Himself
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    lies
    your book is written by common people
    and has nothing to do with the word of god
    actually anyone in the US can write his version of the bible and sell it
  • Original Oatmeal
    Have you met a person who was not common?
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    yes
    prophets
    messengers of God
  • Original Oatmeal
    Prophets are common people
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    these are not common person
  • Original Oatmeal
    they even say that they are common people
    that is what they say
    if you actually read what they said
    you would see what they say about themselves
    you know what people are
    you know that all are sinners
    that is what the buble says
    the bible says this
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    common people with special power and they can communicate with God through the angel Gabriel, do not speak about something you don't know
  • Original Oatmeal
    you know the bible says this
    and you need to remember what the bible actual says
    people do not have special powers
    we all have that ability to talk to God
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    the bible is not the word of God why should i listen to it ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    the Bible talks about it
    the Bible is written by God through men
    that is what the bible says
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    the bible is written by men
    point
  • Original Oatmeal
    the Bible is "God-Breathed"
    the Bible is written by God
    you know that the Bible cannot be written from men
  • Original Oatmeal
    it is not possible
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    it is and they did
  • Original Oatmeal
    it was never written by men
    it is not the book of Mormons
    that is not what the Bible says
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    they took the original bible which doesn't exist anymore and they've changed it
  • Original Oatmeal
    and Christians disagree with what youa re saying
  • Original Oatmeal
    The original bible still exists
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    you're denying the truth
  • Original Oatmeal
    they still have the original autographs
    the autographs are the original scrolls
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    in what language ?
  • Original Oatmeal
    that were inspired from God
    Hebrew, Aramaic
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    in what language ??
  • Original Oatmeal
    and the Greek
  • Original Oatmeal
    Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek
    those were the original 3 languages
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    You see the bible started as a compilation of texts from 2 primary sources. 1) Jewish historical record, translated from Hebrew into Greek, in what is called the Septuagint 2) the Compilation of the Gospel accounts of the Apostles which were ALSO in Greek.
  • Original Oatmeal
    that is what I wrote
    those 3 languages
    that is what I wrote
    you laughat what I wrote
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    only greek
  • Original Oatmeal
    I said the same things that you said
    and you go over that
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    and when they we're translating they've changed it
  • Original Oatmeal
    the old testament was written in Hebrew and aramaic
    we are talking about the originals
    not the translations
    and the translations are accurate
    and you know they were accurately translated
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    1) around the mid-1500s, Martin Luther added at least 1 word to a few verses in the bible dealing with faith. He added the word "alone" to some verses, making them read "faith alone" - when the original Greek never had that in it. - Luckily Martin Luther's "corrections" have been removed from the bible translations we have today. 2) Around the 1600s, the Basis for the Old Testament was changed from the Greek Septuagint to the Hebrew Tanakh, thus moving 7 books from the OT to the Appendix in the back of most bibles in the process. The Catholic church to this day, STILL holds to the original canon it created in 397AD, which includes the 7 disputed books. 3) Those 7 books which hung out in the appendix of most bibles were completely removed from most bibles around the 1800s.
  • Original Oatmeal
    more trusted than other ancient documents
    that does not alter it
    we are not talking about Martin Luther
    the English language is an evolving langugage
    the original Greek had it implied in it
    some things take a while to see
    and the people of the day knew it was there
    the things are added are not actually added but they were actually already there to begin with
    implied and assumed in the text
    of the originals
    you have to learn history to see it
    it takes years to study these things
    and you cannot take things out of context like this
    that is what you are doing
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    still denying the truth
  • Original Oatmeal
    you are prematurely jumping to wrongful conclusions
  • Mehdi BenKahla
    first you say no changes and then you admit few changes
  • Original Oatmeal
    you are jumping to assumptions, implications, that were brain washed into your sad soul and brain
    you do not understand what i am changing
    i am saying 2 different things
    one, I am saying no change in the principles, but 2, only changes in the exact words to better express the principles that do not change
    principles never change
    but language changes over time
    but the Bible is still expressing and sharing the same eternal principles that are not changing
    the Bible changes to adapt to people and languages and cultures and customs and traditions and geography that does change, but it never changes the principles and truth that it seeks to share and express from inside of it

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